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Well why I made this topic is because I always ask myself the question how can SOMETHING exist from NOTHING!! and every time I think there is always a black part that makes me stop thinking at first I was scared of this but everytime I think deeply I keep liking it ^^


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i don't even dare to think about it, i know it will drive me crazy

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Really? cuz everytime I think about it I always come to the conclusion that every small proton or something in an even smaller scale is an universe and our universe is another one of those and so it keeps in an infinite loop that keeps going on but there always is this damn limit that doesn't let me think any further


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but that does not answer the question how something can exist from nothing does it?

since our universe, and a proton are things

well, as far as it seems till now, in fact everything is a form of energy, and "energy" is this something we cannot give a shape

it's like some kind of boogieman, it can take any shape, but does not have a observable form of itself.

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I rarely like to think about the universe, makes me feel so small and empty.

The theory would be there is no nothing, there must be something filling up the space.
Light is ungraspable, can't be seen without reflection in space, yet if collided at extreme speeds, could create material weird no?

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Really? cuz everytime I think about it I always come to the conclusion that every small proton or something in an even smaller scale is an universe and our universe is another one of those and so it keeps in an infinite loop that keeps going on but there always is this damn limit that doesn't let me think any further


This tends to be the fundamental problem with the question. For every solution that one may come up with, there will always be another question as the what level lies above or what came before. You hinted at the Multiverse theory in which there may be many different levels of dimensions or realities where one encompass the other. And what is not encompassed by another lies parallel to the rest thus starting another string of levels. This is one of the main concepts of string and M-theory. Some even go as far to say that it all exists in consciousness alone where each decision we make creates its own alternate reality or universe.

I also have to agree with Ali in that from what we "think" we know at this point, everything seems to be fundamentally made of energy. But is the energy intelligent or does it coalesce at random and due to sheer numerical probabilities create intelligence (reality) via this randomness?

So, how can Something arise from nothing? What came before the big bang? Before time where was anything?

Personally I love to contemplate and debate this as it is a rabbit hole of profound scope, but in the end I Think this question can not be answered from our perspective. We seem to be very low on the "perspective" ladder. Until we can see more of the whole we will only able to ask the question, but never grasp the answer. This for now is a problem whos solution always leads back to the question. Your infinite loop statement seems to be the best we can grasp, in my opinion anyways.


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simple...
the question is
why am i here?

and dont gimme crap on this im serious about this

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Red general wrote:
why am i here?

the way things go or "coincidence"

by the way, about the big bang
one theory explains there was never nothing, the source of the big bang was some kind of GIGA atom that contained all the energy if the universe, because of this unmeasurable pressure, the countereffect resulted in the big bang, releasing all that energy and creating all the things in it while expanding.

it also explains that at one point the universe will again shrink and compress to that same atom, it's an endless cycle.
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Transfuse wrote:
I think mine would be - Should I sleep, or should I eat?


Is that the deepest you could get ... >.>

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Really? cuz everytime I think about it I always come to the conclusion that every small proton or something in an even smaller scale is an universe and our universe is another one of those and so it keeps in an infinite loop that keeps going on but there always is this damn limit that doesn't let me think any further


This tends to be the fundamental problem with the question. For every solution that one may come up with, there will always be another question as the what level lies above or what came before. You hinted at the Multiverse theory in which there may be many different levels of dimensions or realities where one encompass the other. And what is not encompassed by another lies parallel to the rest thus starting another string of levels. This is one of the main concepts of string and M-theory. Some even go as far to say that it all exists in consciousness alone where each decision we make creates its own alternate reality or universe.

I also have to agree with Ali in that from what we "think" we know at this point, everything seems to be fundamentally made of energy. But is the energy intelligent or does it coalesce at random and due to sheer numerical probabilities create intelligence (reality) via this randomness?

So, how can Something arise from nothing? What came before the big bang? Before time where was anything?

Personally I love to contemplate and debate this as it is a rabbit hole of profound scope, but in the end I Think this question can not be answered from our perspective. We seem to be very low on the "perspective" ladder. Until we can see more of the whole we will only able to ask the question, but never grasp the answer. This for now is a problem whos solution always leads back to the question. Your infinite loop statement seems to be the best we can grasp, in my opinion anyways.


I like this yes the infinite loop is the only thing we can grasp because there is this limit to how far we can think that barrier we can't pass for now but if you think about it nothingness is something too right? then where did nothingness come from? this always comes into my mind and from there on I can't get further xD


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Its like quantum physics, don't try to understand just hurts your brain like hell XD
I once had a lecture about it, Same question
There is an area where you have a 99.99% chance of spotting an electron
WHere the final 0.01% is no one knows

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Ali wrote:
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why am i here?

the way things go or "coincidence"

coincidence? hmm no
its why im here ? what am i doing here? whats the purpose of being here ? is it just to live a regular live like anyone else ?
i dont believe that

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Id say, what came before the bigbang?

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well theres alot of theorys about what came before the bigbang like 2 dimensions went into each other and then the big bang happened thats one of em and stuff like

Red general wrote:
Ali wrote:
Red general wrote:
why am i here?

the way things go or "coincidence"

coincidence? hmm no
its why im here ? what am i doing here? whats the purpose of being here ? is it just to live a regular live like anyone else ?
i dont believe that


Well I guess all those questions must be solved by your own thinking


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